WORKING FOR AYN RAND

ARI

Mary Ann, you were one of Ayn Rand’s typists of Atlas Shrugged. Let’s talk about that experience. How did it come about?

MARY ANN

In the fall of 1956, Ayn was near­ing the end of the writ­ing, and needed a typist and proofreader. I had just finished a teach­ing assignment at NYU and was look­ing for employment that would leave me some free time to do grad­u­ate work. By that time, she knew me well enough to know that she could trust me not to divulge the content of the novel to anyone.

ARI

How long did the job last? And what did you do?

MARY ANN

It lasted until the spr­ing of 1957, when she turned the completed manuscript in to Random House. In the begin­ning, it wasn’t full-time work. Some days there wasn’t much to type, but as the weeks progressed, the workload increased. On some days, I was there from morn­ing to even­ing.

When I started, the work con­sist­ed of typ­ing and proofread­ing the new­ly written pages of the novel. That was a memorable experience. I had the pleasure, and the privilege, of read­ing the last part of the novel in her handwrit­ing—hot off the press, so to speak.

In the fall of 1956, she was writ­ing the clos­ing chapters of Part III. She was also edit­ing the entire novel from page one, all of which had been typed by previous secretaries. I retyped the extensive­ly edited pages that were difficult to read. On the pages that had very little edit­ing, I made the changes in pencil on the carbon copies. In the begin­ning, we always discussed which pages needed retyp­ing, and which pages could get by with pencil changes. After a while, she left it up to me. She wanted to present a manuscript that could be read easily. One of the sec­tions she especial­ly wanted to submit in clean pages was Galt’s speech. I did considerable retyp­ing of it.

ARI

Let’s talk about those months.

MARY ANN

Hav­ing had Ayn Rand as a mentor and friend for twenty-eight years was itself a matchless experience. But that period, the fall of ‘56 and spr­ing of ‘57, has a unique place in my thoughts and memories, because it was dur­ing this period that I real­ly got to know Ayn and Frank, and they got to know me, on a personal basis. We developed a closer rela­tionship. Until then, I had seen them main­ly in the company of others, or if I was alone with her, the discussion was usual­ly about an aspect of phi­los­o­phy. Now, I was alone with them almost on a dai­ly basis, and the con­text was dif­fer­ent. There were just the four of us in the apartment—Ayn, Frank, Frisco the cat, and me.

ARI

Frisco the cat?

MARY ANN

Oh, yes. He was a member of the O’Connor household—he was a much loved, beauti­ful animal. And he played his part in the finish­ing of Atlas Shrugged, as you will see.

ARI

Where were they liv­ing at the time?

MARY ANN

In the fall of 1956, Ayn and Frank lived at 36 East 36th Street, Apt. 5-A. Across the street from the apartment house was the splendid Morgan Library. Around the corner was B. Altman, a de­part­ment store which has since closed; Frank enjoyed shopp­ing there. Across from B. Altman was a hamburger shop, Tailor Made, from which the O’Connors ordered.

ARI

Could you describe their apartment?

MARY ANN

Their apartment was a one bedroom with den; it was not very spacious. You entered into a short hallway which opened into a larger entrance foyer. A black-lacquered din­ing room table was kept in the foyer, pushed up against a mirrored wall. I worked at the din­ing room table. Beyond the foyer was the liv­ing room, long and rectangular, with windows at one end. To the left of the foyer, there was a short hallway lead­ing to the bathroom, linen closet, and the kitchen. Around the corner, there was another short hallway lead­ing to her study and to their bedroom.

It was very compact. The foyer, where I worked, was very close to her study—not more than 10 or 12 steps. She kept the door to her study open, and, when nec­es­sary, we could talk back and forth.

ARI

She didn’t close the door for privacy?

MARY ANN

On­ly when she had a personal phone call. Otherwise it was always open.

ARI

What was her study like?

MARY ANN

It was very small, and very simple. Actually, it was quite bare. There was on­ly one window, and her desk was placed right in front of it. She didn’t have an inspir­ing view, just windows of an apartment house across the way. To the left of her desk, along an adjoin­ing wall, there were book shelves. On one of the bottom shelves, she kept the typed manuscript of Atlas Shrugged in boxes that had contained typewriter paper. The handwritten pages she was work­ing on were kept in manila folders on the desk; she did her writ­ing on a blue-green blotter. Opposite the desk were fil­ing cabinets, on which there was a telephone and a pencil sharpener.

ARI

No decora­tion, no personal touches in the room?

MARY ANN

Two personal touches. On the wall to the right of the desk, there were three photographs of Frank which were publicity stills from the Hollywood days, taken when he was a young man. He was striking­ly handsome. Hang­ing next to these photographs was a print of an industrial site. So she had Frank and modern industry nearby, both what she would call “top values.” And, the desk was a gift from Frank; he had had it made for her. So that’s a personal touch, too.

The floor was parquet, not carpeted. She sat in a straight-backed, wooden chair that had a thin cushion covered in blue-green material. When she got up, she scraped the chair against the wooden floor, and I could easi­ly hear it. The floor in the hallway was tiled, and I could hear her brisk footsteps. And Frank’s, too, which were longer and more leisurely. And she could hear my typ­ing—which didn’t seem to disturb her.

ARI

Let’s talk about a typical workday. How did it start?

MARY ANN

Start­ing time was 9:00 a.m., unless we had agreed to a dif­fer­ent schedule. Frank usual­ly answered the door. He always told me what Ayn was do­ing—“Ayn is at her desk,” or “Ayn is hav­ing coffee in the bedroom,” or, very seldom, “Ayn is still sleep­ing.” If Ayn was not work­ing yet, he would tell me to help myself to the fresh­ly made coffee, and join them in the bedroom for a morn­ing visit.

ARI

What did you talk about?

MARY ANN

Movies or television shows we had seen, or current events, sometimes art. They were not lengthy discussions.

One morn­ing, ear­ly on, I rang the doorbell and I heard her quick steps approach­ing the door, and then her deep voice: “Hallo?” she said. “It’s Mary Ann,” I answered. Then she opened the door a crack and asked me to excuse her because she wasn’t dressed. That’s how I learned that Ayn Rand often worked in a nightgown. The one she wore was made of a soft material, like brushed jersey. It was pale aqua, and it fell to the floor in long, regular folds, like a Greek column. The sleeves were long and full, and the neckline was a wide V decorated with rhinestones. It was quite glamorous. She had slippers in aqua leather, to match. She once joking­ly assured me that she had other nightgowns, but this one was her favorite, and it was warm and heavy enough to wear without a robe.

When she was dressed, which was most of the time, she usual­ly wore a navy wool skirt and a simple, short-sleeved silk blouse—in navy or dark green. And her favorite pair of high-heeled red leather sandals.

The first time I saw her in the nightgown, she explained why she wasn’t dressed: if, when she woke up, she felt refreshed and eager to start writ­ing, she didn’t want to lose the momentum. So, she would quick­ly splash water on her face, brush her teeth, run a comb through her hair, get a cup of coffee, and get right to work.

ARI

What was she like when she was writ­ing?

MARY ANN

She was very disciplined. She seldom left her desk. If she had a problem with the writ­ing—if she had what she called the “squirms”—she solved the problem at her desk; she didn’t get up and pace around the apartment, or wait for inspira­tion, or turn on the radio or television. She wasn’t writ­ing every minute. Once I heard a flapp­ing sound com­ing from the study—she was play­ing solitaire. She might read the newspaper. At times, I entered the study to find her sitt­ing with her elbows on the desk and rest­ing her chin on her hands, look­ing out the window, smok­ing, think­ing.

One morn­ing when I arrived, she was still in bed. I started my work, and soon I heard her call out: “Oh, Frank. I’m fall­ing asleep. Oh no, I can’t!” A few minutes later I heard her slippers slapp­ing on the tiles. She washed her face, took a cup of coffee, and went to work. Later that morn­ing, she explained that she had been up very late the night before, and had had little sleep. She had a deadline to meet with Random House, and she was determined to meet it—exhausted or not.

ARI

Did she ever play music while she worked?

MARY ANN

On­ly once, in my experience. When she was writ­ing the last chapter of the novel. One afternoon she put a record on the stereo, which was in the liv­ing room, and asked me to replay it when it stopped. It was the last movement of Rachmaninoff’s Second Piano Concerto.

ARI

Do you know what scene or dialogue she was writ­ing then?

MARY ANN

No, I don’t, and I was curious, too. But I didn’t think it was my business to ask. And, had I asked, she would have answered—or explained why the ques­tion was too personal.

ARI

This brings me to the ques­tion: what kind of a boss was Ayn Rand?

MARY ANN

She was, in a word, a love­ly boss, very easy to work for. She never issued terse orders, or showed impatience, or stood over my shoulder. She was not your stereotypical temperamental genius. There was a graciousness in her manner—there was always “please” and “thank you” when she had a request. But she wasn’t chatty; there was seldom any small talk before I started to work, if she was already at her desk. We agreed on the day’s work and I got right to it.

This raises what I call the spiritual atmosphere of the household. In a few words, it was sheer, unadulterated, never-end­ing good will—an atmosphere created by both Ayn and Frank. Here were two unpretentious and considerate peo­ple. In that home, there were no meta-messages or hidden agendas or speak­ing between the lines—there was always complete candor. And no tension hang­ing in the air. It was, truly, a benevolent universe.

When there wasn’t a full day’s work for me, she apologized. I didn’t mind; I used to float to work, eager to get there. Once, I told her that I liked com­ing over because it was a sane and friend­ly place, and she said, “Oh?” in her characteristic way, and nodded and said, “Well, yes it is, you’re right.” And she added that I was free to come over and br­ing work of my own on days when I wasn’t scheduled to work for her.

ARI

And did you?

MARY ANN

On­ly a few times, because I thought it was an intrusion. But, she was sincere about it; they treated me like one of the family. I should have taken her at her word, because she meant everyth­ing she said.

She was a woman without moods. Or, if she were in a mood, she knew it. She would say so and offer a reason.

ARI

Such as?

MARY ANN

If her work had been interrupted for some reason—like at­tend­ing to some business matters or go­ing to the dentist. That always got her down, and she knew it.

In the morn­ing when I entered the study to get my work, I tapped light­ly on the open door so I wouldn’t startle her. There were on­ly a few times when she didn’t acknowledge me with a smile and a hello.

She was patient. It took me a while to get used to her handwrit­ing. So, in the begin­ning, on the days I typed up the new­ly written pages, I read them over first. And if I had any ques­tions, she wanted me to interrupt her. I tried to keep interrup­tions to a minimum. In all the months I worked for her, she on­ly got angry with me once.

ARI

About what?

MARY ANN

She didn’t like typewritten pages with just a few lines. She thought they interrupted the flow of the story for the reader at Random House. Short pages resulted from dele­tions or addi­tions to the typed manuscript, and were often unavoidable. However, when we were near­ing the end of the edit­ing and re-typ­ing, one of her changes resulted in add­ing some lines to the manuscript; I ended up with a page that had on­ly three or four lines. To make it a complete page would have required retyp­ing all the pages up to the end of that sec­tion, and there just wasn’t time. Well, when she saw it she got angry. She reminded me, in very stern tones, of our agreement to avoid short pages. She explained again her reasons for not want­ing to trouble the reader. I thought her point was valid. But, I have to add here that I wasn’t feel­ing very sympathetic toward that reader, who had the pleasure of read­ing the novel in large sec­tions, in one sitt­ing—while I had had to wait for Saturday nights to read single chapters and then spend the week wonder­ing what was go­ing to happen next! So, when she finished, I just said, “Ayn, it’s Atlas Shrugged we’re talk­ing about.” She just looked at me, and her expression changed; she said, simply, “You’re right.” I think we were both a little on edge, work­ing against a deadline.

ARI

What were the work­ing condi­tions, physically?

MARY ANN

I worked on an old manual typewriter, with a cotton ribbon that wound around spools, and the ribbon and the keys stuck occasionally. I heard once that she had brought a typewriter with her from Soviet Russia. I don’t know if this was that typewriter, but it could have been. It was like an old tank, and just as noisy! I typed an original and several carbon copies, and I made correc­tions with a typewriter eraser. This was long before the days of word process­ing!

In the begin­ning, I was quite slow and didn’t think I was earn­ing my day’s wages, so I suggested that she pay me by the page. It would have been to her financial advantage, but she in­sist­ed on pay­ing me by the hour at the go­ing rate. She said she knew I would pick up speed after I got used to the typewriter. And she in­sist­ed that I keep records of minutes, and if I stayed 10 minutes over an hour, she in­sist­ed on pay­ing me for a quarter of an hour.

She didn’t expect me to do personal errands for her. I did shop at a nearby sta­tioner’s for typ­ing supplies, and that was part of the job. The one time I volunteered to do a personal errand, there was a long discussion.

ARI

What was that?

MARY ANN

A few times a week, in the ear­ly afternoon, she would interrupt her work to call in the grocery order. The O’Connors bought their groceries from Verde’s, a small, specialty grocer on Third Avenue, near 36th Street, which was a few blocks from their apartment. She had to get the order in by a certain time so that it could be delivered late in the afternoon. One day, she missed the deadline. Verde’s delivery boy was gone for the day, and Frank wasn’t home, so I volunteered to pick up the groceries.

ARI

What happened?

MARY ANN

First she said it was out of the ques­tion, that she couldn’t ask me to do that, that do­ing personal errands was not part of my job, and so on. She referred to types she had known in Hollywood and of which she disapproved—executives who always expected personal favors and errands. And I explained that the situa­tion was an excep­tion, that it was nec­es­sary, and that I didn’t mind the walk. I don’t remember the entire exchange, but I managed to convince her. But she in­sist­ed on pay­ing me for the time and hav­ing me stay for dinner. She definite­ly didn’t exploit her employee. I was always treated with respect; she always held my con­text. They both did.

ARI

Were there any house rules?

MARY ANN

I remember three. First, to make sure that all cigarettes one smoked were put out in the ashtrays, especial­ly in the ashtray on her desk. She was very strict about that. I often saw her careful­ly stub­bing out a cigarette in the desk ashtray. If she thought there might be some­thing still burn­ing, she car­ried the ashtray into the kitchen. Another rule was the way I destroyed manuscript pages of Atlas.

ARI

Are you say­ing that you actual­ly destroyed pages of that novel?

MARY ANN

Yes. If a typewritten page had extensive edit­ing and had to be retyped, the original page was destroyed. Her rule was that the page would first be torn into small pieces, and then the pieces mixed up and thrown down the incinerator in the hallway. She showed me how she wanted it done. She never, ever, discarded anyth­ing she had written without tear­ing it up complete­ly—she didn’t take whole pages, squash them up, and throw them as a ball into the wastebasket.

ARI

What about handwritten pages? Don’t tell me you destroyed any of those?

MARY ANN

Oh, yes. If her changes on a handwritten page were so extensive that the page was difficult to read, she rewrote that page and gave me the original page to destroy. To tear up and incinerate.

ARI

How could you br­ing yourself to destroy them?

MARY ANN

Because that’s what she wanted. She didn’t want those pages ly­ing around. They weren’t of any use to her. She wasn’t like some artists who save every scrap of paper they touch. She was concerned with the finished product, not with the process.

ARI

But this is an historic document we are talk­ing about! Didn’t you want to keep the pages as souvenirs? How many of those pages were there?

MARY ANN

I don’t remember the exact number, but there were not a great many. It never occurred to me to ask for them. I think that would have been the height of presump­tion. And, had I asked, I think she would have been annoyed and refused. And right­ly so. The one time I attempted to save a souvenir, she intervened.

ARI

What was that?

MARY ANN

Ayn paid me by check, and one day when I was deposit­ing a few checks from her, the bank clerk recognized Ayn’s name and asked me how I could bear to give them up. The clerk, I learned, was a fan. So, I decided to save a check; it was a small amount, under $10.00. A few weeks later, Ayn learned that it had not been deposited and asked me if I were sav­ing it for a souvenir. It was clear by her manner that she did not like the idea.

ARI

What did she say?

MARY ANN

As usual, she had reasons for her reac­tion. One was that if I didn’t cash the check, then I was not be­ing paid for my work. And that amounted to altruism. And second, it was a nuisance to her to have checks outstand­ing in the account.

ARI

You said there were three house rules.

MARY ANN

The third one was never to open a window, even if Frisco was not in the room. They were concerned that he might jump out. This was a strict rule, and not just for Frisco. Later, there were other cats in the household, and the same rule applied.

ARI

Let’s talk about Frisco.

MARY ANN

Frisco was a pampered, beauti­ful cat. Frank brushed him regular­ly and always spoke gent­ly to him. Often when Ayn was reclin­ing on the couch, Frisco would stretch out on her chest, put his paws up to her neck, and purr. She loved that.

In the morn­ing, if Frank was still sleep­ing and Frisco was up and ready for breakfast, he would jump on the bed and stroke Frank’s cheek to awaken him. Ayn loved to watch that, too. Frisco was allowed to use the couch to sharpen his claws; they didn’t mind that the furniture had ragged ends!

ARI

You said he was involved with Atlas Shrugged.

MARY ANN

Frisco real­ly demanded atten­tion, and when he didn’t get it, he would do impish things. For example, occasional­ly I would hear Ayn from the study say­ing, “Oh, no, Frisco,” and then she would call for Frank or me. I’d go into the study to find Frisco on her desk, stretched out across the manuscript pages she was work­ing on. I would pick him up and car­ry him out to the liv­ing room floor. Then, he would jump up to my table and stretch across the typewriter carriage! Then, I would say, “Oh, no, Frisco!” Apparently, he was known for this, because once Ayn called out, “Oh, is Frisco on your typewriter?” And when I said, “Yes,” she said, “Oh, you’re real­ly be­ing accepted now. You are one of the family.” One day, I was car­ry­ing a cup of hot coffee out of the kitchen and didn’t bend down to pet him when he brushed against my leg. So, he nipped my ankle and she heard me say, “Ouch, Frisco.” And she said, “Oh, did Frisco bite you?” And when I answered, “Yes,” she said, “That’s real love. Now Frisco really accepts you.” I should add that he never drew blood, he didn’t even tear a stock­ing, and she knew from experience that his nips were on the gentle side.

Frisco returned their affec­tion. Occasionally, when they were away overnight, they asked me to sleep over to keep Frisco company. The elevator door was down the hall, but you could hear it open and close. Every time that elevator door opened, Frisco would jump up and walk over to the apartment door and sit and wait. I tried to comfort him with pett­ing and soft talk, but he wasn’t interested in me. He was wait­ing for the sound of the key in the lock.

Once Ayn was in pain with a terrible toothache and a swollen jaw. She was stand­ing by my typewriter, hold­ing her cheek, and Frisco jumped up to the table, then to the top of the chair and tried to reach up to her cheek with his paw. She was very moved by that.

They were a threesome. When guests were leav­ing, Ayn and Frank always stood at their open door until the guests entered the elevator, and the elevator door closed. And Frisco always came and sat in front of them or beside them, to see you off.

ARI

Earlier, you men­tioned hav­ing dinner with the O’Connors. Didn’t they dine out?

MARY ANN

Dur­ing that period, when she was complet­ing Atlas, dinner was almost always at home. Sometimes she cooked it, sometimes Frank did. Be­ing invited to dinner was the excep­tion, not the rule. But as the work progressed, I sometimes stayed into the even­ing to finish up, and I was asked to stay for dinner. Especial­ly when there was a casserole already made. Frank nick-named it the “Atlas Shrugged casserole.” I don’t think we ever told her about that. It was a recipe they dis­cov­ered on a Mueller’s macaroni box. It was delicious, quick, and easy. Frank and I pre­pared it a few times—macaroni, onions, hamburger, and cheese. And one casserole was dinner for three nights!

They ate simply. They did some­thing interest­ing with canned peas—they were served at room temperature, mixed with mayonnaise. Once in a while, we had hamburgers from Tailor Made. She would consult Frank and me, make up the order, call it in, and then Frank and I would walk over to pick it up.

ARI

Didn’t you think it a bit odd—for the author of Atlas Shrugged to be call­ing in grocery orders and hamburger orders?

MARY ANN

At first, yes, I did think so. But she never behaved as if she were the great genius who was above do­ing mundane things. She was the bril­liant philosopher and writer. But if groceries and hamburgers had to be ordered, then she did that, too. She looked upon gett­ing dinner ready as, primarily, the wife’s responsibility.

ARI

Where did you eat, on the din­ing table that was your desk?

MARY ANN

No. Never there, because of the typewriter and supplies on it. Frank and I set up TV tables in the liv­ing room, and we ate there. If there was some­thing interest­ing on TV, we watched it; otherwise, it was just friend­ly chat. A relaxed atmosphere.

ARI

Do you have any amus­ing stories center­ing around din­ing in the O’Connor household?

MARY ANN

Here’s one. Ear­ly one even­ing, she was still work­ing in the study. Frank and I were next door in the kitchen do­ing the lunch dishes and try­ing not to make much noise.

ARI

So as not to disturb her?

MARY ANN

That was part of it. There was some­thing else involved. Frank explained to me that Ayn was always worried about germs. That concern started in Soviet Russia, where disease and epidemics had been constant threats. As a result, when she did the dishes, she rinsed them many times in scald­ing water, and in­sist­ed that Frank do the same. So, that even­ing, Frank said, “Let’s finish these before Ayn comes in. Otherwise, we’ll be here all night!” He was exaggerat­ing, of course. But we were like two conspirators, laugh­ing quiet­ly about our rush­ing with the wash­ing and dry­ing. And we were discuss­ing Leslie Howard movies we liked. Neither of us could think of “pimpernel”—as in Scarlet Pimpernel. There was a loaf of pumpernickel bread sitt­ing on the counter, and Frank said, “I know. The Scarlet Pumpernickel.” We both thought that was hilarious, and laughed out loud; and I said, “Shh, your wife is next door writ­ing a book which is go­ing to save the world. We had better be quiet.” And Frank laughed, and said, “Well, the world will just have to wait a little while longer.” And we thought that was even funnier, and broke up. And then we heard her chair scrap­ing back on the floor. Frank said, “We’re in for it now!” Followed by more muffled laughter. She walked into the kitchen, smil­ing, look­ing quizzical. “What are you two laugh­ing at?” When we told her, she laughed, too. We apologized for disturb­ing her, but she said she was finished for the day. It was a cheer­ful moment. Then we had the casserole dinner.

ARI

What about lunch?

MARY ANN

She often took her lunch into the study and had it at her desk. It was a light lunch—sometimes just pumpernickel bread and some cheese. There’s an interest­ing luncheon story, too.

One day, she was in the kitchen gett­ing lunch, and I was at my typ­ing table. She called to me, ask­ing if I could come in and help her. I didn’t know what I could do to help the author of Atlas Shrugged, but I was pleased by the request. I went in and saw that she was hold­ing a hot dog, and she asked me if I thought it was edible. When I asked why, she said that it had been in the refrigerator for a while and it was shriveled. So I examined it; it was wrinkled but I pointed out that the color was good and it didn’t have a bad odor. So, I told her that if it were immersed in boil­ing water, it would plump up. I asked her if she wanted me to do it, and she said, “Oh, no. You have work to do.” That amused me, because my work con­sist­ed of typ­ing up her bril­liant thoughts while she was go­ing to cook a hot dog!

Some minutes later, she came out of the kitchen, hold­ing up a plump hot dog speared by a fork. “You were right,” she said, and thanked me for the sugges­tion. I said some­thing to the effect of “from each accord­ing to his ability.” Her immediate response was, “Check your premises!”

In the discussion that followed, I learned that the premise I had to check was my assump­tion that because I wasn’t writ­ing the equivalent of Atlas Shrugged, noth­ing I had to say or do was of value to her. She pointed out, on that very example, that I knew some­thing she didn’t, and that I had made her lunch possible.

ARI

Did she say “check your premises” very often?

MARY ANN

Yes, and not just to me. But, I must say, whenever she did say it to me, it was music to my ears! Because I knew that I would not get out of the house without a discussion about which premises to check, or without mak­ing ar­range­ments to discuss the issue later or the next day. That’s the way she was. Always ready to analyze and explain, to help you clarify and sharpen your thoughts, your mental processes.

ARI

You once spoke of some­thing you called “the glorious lunch break.”

MARY ANN

This refers to a discussion we had that had the greatest effect on my life. One day, I was depressed because an acquaintance had criticized me for tak­ing pleasure in clean­ing a copper-bottomed fry­ing pan. I enjoyed clean­ing it and then see­ing it shine on the wall, hang­ing on a peg board. It was the on­ly piece of decora­tion in my kitchen. I was bothered by the criticism that I was find­ing enjoyment in some­thing so nonin­tel­lec­tu­al. So, I told Ayn that I was troubled by some­thing and asked her if we could have a discussion about it. She suggested that we do it dur­ing lunch.

I told her about the incident, and she nodded in un­der­stand­ing. When I finished, she said, “Oh, check your premises.” I told her I didn’t know what premises to check. So, she led me to un­der­stand the issue by ques­tion­ing me about my response to the copper pot. She pointed out that it was significant that I didn’t clean it and then put it away, that I hung it up so I could look at it and enjoy its beauty. That, she said, was a ra­tional value, and I shouldn’t apologize for it. In that discussion, she explored my attitude to housework in general and learned that I didn’t mind do­ing it, and then she led me to un­der­stand that I enjoyed the result—a polished and shined appearance to a room—and why that was a value I shouldn’t apologize for. She added that I didn’t expect others to accomplish that for me, which was a virtue. Then she said, “Do you know what we are do­ing?” I didn’t know what she was gett­ing at, and I said, “We are analyz­ing this situa­tion.” She said, “What we are do­ing, Mary Ann, we are tak­ing ideas seriously. You are apply­ing phi­los­o­phy to your life. This is what phi­los­o­phy is for.” She explained the necessity of identify­ing your values and know­ing why they are values, why you shouldn’t give up a value because some­one ques­tions it, even if you can’t ful­ly explain why it is important to you. She pointed out that there was much more she could say on the subject, that she had on­ly touched on ethics and a little bit of esthetics, but that the issue for me to un­der­stand was the importance of hold­ing on to values. To this day, I seldom mop a floor or polish a mirror without think­ing of that afternoon with Ayn Rand and of how much that discussion about values has meant to me.

ARI

What did Frank O’Connor do on these days, when she was writ­ing?

MARY ANN

He was pur­su­ing his interest in art. He had an easel set up in the bedroom, and he worked there. Sometimes he was out do­ing errands or floral ar­range­ments. They divided up the house chores. She ordered the groceries and looked after gett­ing their dinner. He paid the bills, did bank­ing, and took care of dry clean­ing and gett­ing the laundry done. I learned about this ar­range­ment when there was a bit of a domestic crisis in the household one day.

ARI

What happened?

MARY ANN

One afternoon, the doorman buzzed. I answered and he told me that there was an agent from the utilities company who had come to turn off the electricity because the bill had not been paid. Frank wasn’t home. I went to the study and told Ayn. She said, “What on earth?” and told me to have the man come up. She met him in the liv­ing room, and I went back to my typewriter. I couldn’t hear their conversa­tion, but it was very short, and she went to the study to write a check.

After the man left, she sat down on the couch. She was exasperated. She said things like “How can I write anyth­ing, if this is go­ing on? Frank didn’t pay the bills. This is his responsibility. What is he think­ing of?” She announced, “Frank is go­ing to turn this place into a garret of starv­ing artists without heat or electricity!” All the while, I was try­ing to keep a straight face, but I smiled a bit. And she said, “You’re on Frank’s side!” I tried to defend him, say­ing that I was sure it wasn’t deliberate, that he was distracted by his interest in art, that it was un­der­standable.

ARI

What did she say to that?

MARY ANN

She told me, in firm tones, that he had ignored three delinquent notices! I couldn’t think of anyth­ing to say to that. Then she went back to her desk. Later in the afternoon, Frank came home. I was ready for fireworks.

ARI

What happened?

MARY ANN

As soon as he came in, she joined him in the bedroom. I didn’t hear the conversa­tion, but when they came out I heard the tail end. She was call­ing him “darl­ing” and “cubbyhole,” and remind­ing him of the importance of pay­ing bills on time.

ARI

What did Mr. O’Connor say?

MARY ANN

To me he said, “Well, I hear you had some excitement here this afternoon.” And he added, “Glad I missed it.” He was amused by the incident. We all went back to work, and that was that.

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